If one were to ask my first impression of Mrs. Nadine
Stocker Johnson, one word would come to mind: magnetism. Walking down the hall to our interview room,
Mrs. Johnson noted our differences in height with a hearty laugh; I seemed to
be over a foot taller than she. This
quickly ensued into a discussion of the many benefits of being either tall or
short. Also, upon meeting Mrs. Johnson,
I couldn’t help but note her ensemble,
which was a vibrant pink jogging set with a bright green scarf hastily knotted
around her neck. Her ensemble spoke
magnitudes of what the interview soon turned out to be. With a complete disregard to her
age--eighty-five, and the many stereotypes--Mrs. Johnson quickly became a
familiar friend. She introduced me to
Nadine, a sharp, vivacious, woman with who was one of the first WAVES in

My name is Nadine Stocker
Johnson. I was born in Yates Center,
Kansas on March eighteenth, 1921. My
parents were Hoyt B Stocker and Naomi Eliza Sylvy. My grandparents, on both sides, came to
My mother’s parents, my grandparents on my mother’s side, they came from Ohio in a covered wagon, and I’m not sure what year.
My mother was born in 1888, and they were here by then. So, I think they came in about 1885 maybe
little bit later, and they settled in the town of Yates Center. They lived in town.
My dad worked,
actually he was a painter/decorator, when he was young. He didn’t tell
me, but I found this out later through Census records. In 1900 he was listed as a boarder at a home
in Wichita. So, he was in Wichita at
that time and listed as a boarder working something, I don’t know what; but he was a painter/decorator. I figured he was learning the trade of
painting when he was young; and then my mom and dad got married in 1912.
My mother went [through her] second year in
high school, sophomore. My dad only went
to eighth grade. But he was a beautiful
penman, he could really write. The first
eight grades in those days they really push a lot of information to ‘em . (Laughs)* On the internet I read an eighth grade
test. Well, I’ll bet some college students couldn’t past that test. He
[her father] used perfect English, and he could write! I don’t know...
(laughs) whomever his teacher was really taught him
well.
After my mom and dad were married, my
[oldest] brother was born in 1918; and that was the year of the big flu
epidemic. My mother took the flu, and
they didn’t think she would live. My brother was born in May, and she had the
flu that winter. They told me they took
my brother next door to my aunt’s, my dad’s sister’s. They [aunt and uncle] took care of him as a
baby, away from her; and my dad just went in and out and more less helped
her. Tried to keep
from getting the flu himself. But
she did survive, thank goodness; and a lot of them did die. I remember her telling me, ‘cause she had that flu, and she was so afraid that she might not
make it.
Then in 1921, I was born. Yay, woopi! (Laughs) ‘ Course I was
born at home, all of us, my two brothers and I were born at home. (Laughs) She said, “ I can remember lookin’ down,” the doctor put the basket beside the bed, you know, she
said, “I looked down there and all I could
think was there was a little baby monkey.” (Laughs really hard) So, that was her first
impression of me.
(Still laughing) My mom was a
stay-at-home mom, of course; and she was full of ideas. When I was– oh, I
think I was only about four, there was a woman in town
who gave what they called expression lessons.
I took these expression lessons, and I learned how to give poems, little
stories, and stuff. Also, they had me go
to different meetings and I would be the program. They’d stand
me up on the table, and I would give my (laughs) my little reading. I would go to Eastern Star,
and all of the lodges and different places like that.
When I was, I think I was four--I don’t think I was five yet--I gave a reading at the Alumni
[meeting]. My uncle had graduated from
high school and the alumni associating was having a
[meeting]. I think he’d only been out about two or three years, or just very few
years. I was old enough to remember that
one. I wasn’t very old because my expression teacher died in 1927, and I
would’ve only been six. See, my mom had to help me. She [the teacher] would give these
[assignments] and show me how to do expressions; and then my mom would help me
at home, to learn how to give expressions, or these readings.
Oh, I’m backing
up a little. I remember something that
happened when I was a year and a half old.
Evidently, I walked pretty young, and I was small. I had somehow gotten away from my mom. (Laughs)She thought I was out in the yard, I
think, and the neighbor, I think we had one of the original phones in town; but
anyway, she did too, and she knew our family.
I was a block away, going down the street after a collie dog going
(makes kissing noises). This neighbor
called my mom, she said, “You know
Nadine is going down the street behind a dog, following a dog over here.” (Laughs)Oh, my mom come flyin’ over
there to get me.
(Laughs) I guess I must’ve had a tendency for runnin’ away because when I wasn’t too
old, I was thinking about sometin’ to do. I had a
little neighbor girl, I involved the neighbor girl. I took the neighbor, and by that time I was
five or six. I’d been to the cemetery, this was right after my Memorial Day– or Decoration Day, we used to call it– and I’d seen
all those flowers in the cemetery. They
were so fascinating, you know, ‘cause
at that time you planted flowers, and these
Sweet William, I can remember, they looked so beautiful in the cemetery. Well, I told this neighbor girl, Meredith, I
said, “Let’s go to
the cemetery and pick some of those flowers.” (Laughs)
We took my little brother, he was about a year and a half, two years old; he
wasn’t very old. We took
him in the wagon, and we went towards the cemetery. Well, it was quite a ways to the
cemetery. We went up this dirt road, and
my momma could, after she noticed we were gone, follow the tracks of the wagon. Here I am, my little brother, and my neighbor
girl, and I was the instigator of it. Its [the cemetery] probably blocks and blocks, the cemetery
is way north of town in
I said, “ No , I just can’t. I can’t pull that wagon back.
I’m to tired.”
She said, “You’re pulling that wagon back to town.” My mom didn’t paddle, you know; but she had a little “stiffer elm”, she
called it. Sticks,
and she switched my legs. That’s how she corrected us.
Oh, I hated that! I hated to be
corrected with that little switch. I
almost rather be banged in the head. So, she had to switch my legs, you know, to
get me to haul that wagon back to town (laughs). Oh, it was torture! It was a lot heavier goin’ up, I mean comin’ back, than it was goin’ up ‘cause
I was tired. (Laughs)
My folks also taught me to roller skate. There wasn’t much to
do, you know, for little kids. My dad
worked downtown in the hardware store.
He was working at the hardware store after my folks got married, and the
hardware store was one of the main stores in town. The one in
Skates were solid, you know, you
couldn’t adjust them or anything, and they
had ball bearings underneath. They were
really heavy, and they had to be screwed onto your soles of your shoes. So, you had to have shoes with a leather sole
on the bottom. Some place in my archives
I have a roller skate key. You had to
roll those little clamps back and forth, [with the key]. My dad made a small pair of skates. [I] learned to skate; they were walkin’ and I
was skatin’ in
between.
I liked animals, and next door was a
bulldog, a white bulldog. (Laughs) She
was my pal; her name was Lady. My mom
would think it was kinda neat, and I did too, she’d let me go to town with a note. [I’d] get like maybe just an item, once in a while a loaf of
bread. Although my mom used to make
bread, once in a while we’d buy a
loaf of bread. That was an elite thing
to do, you know, to have bread that was made uptown, ‘cause everybody made their own bread. (Laughs) She would send a
note, and I think she must’ve called
the grocer man ahead of time and said that I was on my way. Lady would go with me, and she and I’d go to town. Lady
had a litter of pups, [she] went under the house. She wouldn’t let
anybody see those pups, I crawled in there and [would]
bring the pups out. (Laughs) She’d let me go in there, and I would go under the house and
bring the little pups out. “Oh, isn’t this
cute,” you know, (laughs). They weren’t gonna see those pups ‘cause she
was a bulldog; and boy, she was really protective of them. She [Lady] would let me go in under there and
get those pups. I can remember those
little pups being born, (laughs) and how I was the only one that could see ‘em . (Laughs)
My younger brother, back to my family,
was born December 29th, 1924.
So, we were all just three years apart: 1918, 1921, and 1924. You’d think I’d remember him being born, ‘cause he was
born [at home]. All of sudden, he was
there and they never [told us when the baby was coming](laughs). Nowadays, they tell you there’s gonna be a baby, and whatever.
Me, I didn’t know anything. (Laughs) I didn’t know where babies came from; when I was in the sixth
grade, I still didn’t know. (Laughs) I thought the stork
delivered them. They told us the stork
delivered the babies. The stork, you
know is a big [bird], and is always on the chimney. I always thought the stork must’ve dropped the baby down the chimney or something. I didn’t
know. But it showed pictures of them
where the baby, in a little cloth, you know, hanging out of the stork’s
bill. They dramatized them
enough, so I believed that.
(Laughs) I believed in Santa Clause,
still. [We went to] the church and
everything. So, we had a Christmas
party. Then, I was only about seven, I
guess; old enough to know, you know, a little bit of something. My mom dressed up in this Santa Clause [suit];
of course, I didn’t know anything about it. She came by, at the Christmas party, we were
all sitting down munching, and she came to me.
She said later that she could hardly hold herself together because (laughs)
here I am lookin’ at her,
you know, really examinin’ her good ‘cause she
had this outfit on. When we got home,
she said I told her, “ Mom
, you know, Santa Clause has a mole right where you have on
your face.”
(Laughs heartily) She said, she just about
cracked up. She never said anything more
about [it]. She just told me later.
She said, “ I knew when I got there you were
just lookin’ at me. Just really studyin’.” Well, that’s what I
was studying.
I was looking at that mole and
thinking, “ My
gosh, my mom’s got a
mole like that.” (Laughs) [A] little
mole on her face, on the side of her nose.
I better talk about that, [schooling]
first, ‘ course
I went to school in
Jobs got really bad, and it just kept
getting worse; didn’t get any better. In order for him to keep a job, this hardware
store that he worked at had purchased another hardware store in Girard. They’re a
partnership, and they had a openin’ for him in Girard.
You know, it was a big decision for us.
He didn’t want to leave [Yates Center] because
his parents were born there, and [his] folks lived there. He had two sisters and a brother; they’d all lived and [were] raised there. My mom [had] all of her
[family in Yates Center also]; she had a sister and two brothers. She had three
brothers, she lost one; he drank lye. He
thought it was coffee sitting on the stove, ‘cause it had a
little froth and stuff on it, he thought it was coffee with milk in it, and he
drank that. Well, I don’t know if they could have saved him or not, but it just ate
his tongue up, and he starved to death. Wouldn’t that be
awful; he was just eleven years old.
It [the Depression] left, you know,
families, ‘ course
the families that lived on farms got along pretty well. They had their cows, their pigs, and their
animals, and raised their grain and whatever.
But the people like us, that lived in town, it
was harder on us.
My dad finally decided that we would
have to move to Girard. In the
summertime, we had a truck that was open air, it was a covered van, it just had railings along the side and everything. I can remember one of our chairs fell out
along the way, and my dad had to glue it all back together. There were six chairs to that set. I still have that set, and I have the chair
that my dad glued back together. I had
them all refinished. My mom said when
they were married in 1912, that they bought that set secondhand. So, they are
probably close to, uh, I don’t know
how many years somebody would keep a set of chairs, but they’re close to a hundred years old, I know.
That’s how we
got to Girard; ‘cause my dad had to take this job at the other store there. Then I
started in eighth grade at Girard, and went to Girard High School. [I] had to
make new friends and everything; its quite an
experience at age twelve.
Oh, I did skip second grade. I do have to tell you about that, too. (Laughs) Another girl and I, this was back in
Yates Center, the school room was large, and had the first grade and the second
grade all in one room. The first grade
was on one side of the room, it was on the right side of the room, and the
second graders on the [other] side of the room.
One teacher taught first and second grade, so she’d teach something over in first grade while the other grade
was studying or whatever. Eloise, her
name was Eloise, Eloise and I, we got kinda bored with the first grade ‘cause we’d get all
of our stuff finished and we were able to learn everything (laughs) that the
second grade kids were learning. When it
came time for us to complete the other course, the teacher told us we could go
to the third grade, so we did (laughs).
We skipped the second grade then I was
a little bit young goin’ into
[the third grade], not much, though, because we didn’t have kindergarten.
You didn’t start school until you were six years
old. See, you had all those years at
[home]; that’s the reason I ran away from home so
much, had to have something to do (laughs).
Then I went to high school in
Girard. I played in the band, I started
with orchestra. I started with violin, my mom had a violin that was handmade by some of her
relatives or something. It was really
old and the wood was made stripped. It
was really different--no one had seen anything like it. I started taking violin lessons, and played
in orchestra.
I got a lady (laughs) that’s still around, and she asks me once in a while, “ Do you still have that horn?” She’s older, she’s five
years older than I am (laughs), which makes her close to ninety. I don’t know, she sees me occasionally. It’s called
an alto horn in the band, and I don’t know
when I first saw her, I hadn’t seen
her for years, ‘n years, ‘ n years. She said, “ You still
have that horn?”
And I said, “No! (Laughs) I got rid of it just like you did, soon as I
got out of high school I sold the horn.” It was called an alto horn, they don’t have it anymore. Its similar to a French horn that they use in the [marching
band]. [It has] valves. You played it
like a [trumpet]. Well, I could play
taps on the kids’ trumpet because I did the fingering
on a alto horn; but they don’t make it anymore, I don’t know
why. It could be called a melaphone.
Our band played in the Coal Festival
in Pittsburg. [It] was one of the big things that all the bands from near
around [gathered at]. Its
now called Homecoming, but it originated as the Coal Festival, and there was a
Coal king and queen. One of the first
queens at the Coal Festival was from Girard High School. [I] can’t even think of her name now, Helen something,
she was one of the first queens.
Of course our band marched, and then
we competed also at the college ‘cause
they would have the same kind of competition. I still think they have it--where they rate
the bands from all around and they come, and, and see how your rating is. Girard always got a pretty good rating, not
because of me. (Laughs) They [Girard]
were actually a pretty good band.
Oh, the one [class] I really liked the
best was shorthand and typing because I had made up my mind I was going to be a
secretary. (Laughs) I liked that [class] best of all, and I was
visiting with a friend the other day, he was a product of Girard high
school. He learned shorthand and typing
from the same teacher, her name was Ms. Adams.
He’s about five years older than I am,
but he said that it really helped him out in the service, ‘cause he got to stay in the office, ‘cause he said somebody asked him, “Does anybody know shorthand?”
He said, “I do.” So, he held an
office job [during the war], because he knew shorthand. I like my shorthand type of classes best, and I would really do well in them. Bookkeeping, I didn’t like bookkeeping.
That was my least liked subject.
Yet, I had to [do] bookkeeping in my lifetime.
I took a test one time,
that was way after when I was working at the college, even. You had to balance [books]. You had to balance that [test], and I
thought, “Ooooh , I don’t know if
I could do this on a test.” But I did; so, I was really excited. In fact, I got a hundred on that test. With that, and I was already a veteran, and
you got five points extra [for being a veteran], my score was a hundred and
five something, ‘cause I made a hundred on the test. It involved shorthand, transcription, and
bookkeeping. It was the bookkeeping, is
what I was worried about, if I could make that thing balance. But I did.
I have to make a little bit of a
background [for why I joined the WAVES].
After I was out of high school, I
took a civil service test, and I’d worked
at two or three different places while waiting for this [test result], and I
did get a grade. I was living at Girard, of course, at the time, and I’d gone to Manhattan to work for the government up
there--well, it was state government. State triple A office; it pertained to agriculture. I had just been up there about two months,
and my mother called and said I had an appointment [to] a civil service
department in
Well, the war was declared, and I can remember that
day. I lived with a family out in
northeast Washington, D.C.; and we were listening to the radio ‘cause we didn’t have
nothing but radio; and President Roosevelt declared war on Sunday evening that
the Pearl Harbor was attacked. The next
morning, Monday, we had badges that we were supposed to be allowed to get in,
and everybody had to have their badge to get into the Navy department that day
for sure. The officer,
that I worked for, he was in full uniform. Everybody was in uniform. See, when we weren’t at war, you couldn’t tell
who were the officers and who were, you know,
personnel at the Navy department. There
were lots of officers that had their uniforms on once we were in war.
My boyfriend, which is now my husband,
he had been drafted. They used to draw
names out of a fish bowl, and his was one of the first names drawn here in
Crawford County. He was so lucky to be
drafted. ‘Course he
was in the Army.
The WACS were formed first, and we
knew a little bit about ‘em
. I ate at this boarding house, and there were about twelve
or fifteen of us. We’d talk, talk, talk, and I told them, “You know, I’m going
to join the WAVES,”‘cause we heard
there were going to be women in the Navy.
They said, “Oh, yeah! Yeah, Nadine. Yeah,
you’re going to join the WAVES. Blah, blah,
blah.”
(Laughs) You know, I was always tellin’ them somethin’. I knew when the
Waves were going to be formed; so I went the first day, in
Well, I just wanted to do something to be patriotic. I thought since my older brother had joined,
in the Army, and he was stationed, oh, he stayed state’s side. I can’t
remember where he was at the time. My
husband [boyfriend at the time] was already in the service, and he was being
trained. So, I thought, “Well, I’ll just
go into the WAVES.”
I was in the first group of the WAVES [to be trained], ‘ course there were six hundred of us sent to--well, it used to be
Oklahoma A&M, in
In training, we were the first group
of WAVES. They called us guinea
pigs. We’d just
get settled inta one thing and they would change
their mind about something. One time, we’d just been there, I don’t know, a
couple of days or we’d just
gotten in, and everybody had just gotten ready for bed check. Until we got this alarm thing, Get
dressed! We’re going to the dispensary. Had to have
shots. Everybody had to have
shots. Well, the sailors came from the other school and we came from ours. Actually, they were dormitories at the
college. We got all lined up ready for
our tetanus shots. Well, I don’t know how many of those sailors past out, but none of the
girls did (laughs). None
of the women. But some of those
sailors passed out when they went in they just klunk
(imitates noise made by sailors when passing out), klunked
out. (Laughs)The next day, and for a day
or two--oh, were we sore. I was talking
just recently to one of the doctors about [the tetanus shots a long time ago]. Well, it was Dr. Seglie. He’d been in
the service, too; and I said, “You know
the tetanus shot,”‘cause I’d taken a
tetanus shot.
And he said, “Well, this won’t be like
that.”
I said, “I
remember the service, you couldn’t lift
your arm.”
He said, “That’s right
because they were a different kind.” When we first started out, our shirts [went
on] over the head, and we had to get our arms up to get in them. So, the next morning we were trying to help
each other. Nobody could lift [their]
arms to help anybody hardly. We did have
a time for a day or two. Oh, our arms
were so sore. Well, that was kind of an
experience that we had when training, you know.
We did get out and march. We were drilled, some, not as much as we were
in the classroom. We had a lot of
classroom work, you know. In the service
you put--instead of the month, day, and year--you put the day, month, and
year. You’ve
probably seen that on dates. That’s a
military way of putting the date. We had
to do that, which is kinda different after you’ve been doing it a different way for years. Well, you had to be sure to put the day
first, then the month, and then the year.
That’s, that’s some of
the things we learned [out of the] lots of things we learned about the
military, I guess. But it was fun.
[Our training] was supposed to be a
three months course; but at the end of two months, they graduated two hundred
[WAVES]. I was in the first two hundred to be graduated and stationed. I decided to stay, there was a electrician’s school, sailor’s school,
at the university down there, it was called E-E-N-E-N (spells)
electro-electrics something school, so I thought, “Well, I’ll stay
there.”
They didn’t have the books at the school they
were supposed to for bookkeeping, at the Navy until, after--oh, the Yeoman
school had been going for, I don’t know,
three or four months, something like that.
I thought, “Well, I’ll just
[make] ranking and stay here ‘cause its
closer to home.”
My folks still lived in Girard, and I thought, “Well, I’ve been
away in Washington, D.C. (laughs) for a couple a years; maybe I’ll just stay closer to home.” So, I got stationed there [Stillwater,
OK].
Well, I’d just
got my ranking changed, Storekeeper Third Class, or let’s see, from Apprentice Seamen, yeah, it was to Storekeeper
Third Class. I was Yeoman Third Class,
after you come out of the school, you go from Apprentice Seamen ta Storekeeper, I mean Yeoman
Third Class. Then you have to work your
way up--third class, second class, first class,
chief. I didn’t want to be a storekeeper ‘cause , like I said, I didn’t like
bookkeeping. But I got by. It [my placement] was dispersion, and they
gave out the military pay. That’s what they were doing in the office where I worked.
I wrote back to Washington, D.C. to
the Bureau of Supplies and Accounts, all of ‘em back there, [to] tell them how
wonderful it was and everything.
Immediate orders back to
There were two Admirals,
the assistant chief had his office at the same building. The Navy building during WWII had to expand,
and so it runs along the reflection pool between the Washington Monument and
the Lincoln Memorial. They built [a]
temporary, barracks-type building, office building, across from the reflection
pool. [It] had two covered bridges to get from the main building to the office
buildings over there. The Bureau of
Supplies and Accounts was in the temporary buildings, it was over on the mall
on the other side of the reflection pool.
Our office was in the front of the building.
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I was the first WAVE, enlisted WAVE, to be stationed in that building. I ended up with a sore foot, so they sent me to the dispensary. Well, I had a planter’s wart on the bottom of my foot. So, I got to go to Bethesda, Maryland Naval Hospital, and had that planter’s wart taken off. Well, I didn’t have any [big shoes], [so] here I am in uniform, and all I had was a bedroom slipper, a big, fuzzy bedroom slipper. So, here I am in uniform with one fuzzy bedroom slipper for awhile 'cause I had to wear it til it healed. I was already outstanding because there wasn’